Joel Rosenthal and Avril Haines. CREDIT: Bryan Goldberg Photography.

Joel H. Rosenthal and Avril D. Haines. CREDIT: Bryan Goldberg Photography.

The Ethics of Decision-Making in National Security, with Avril D. Haines

Dec 15, 2025 77 min watch

Avril D. Haines, former director of national intelligence, visited Carnegie Council in October to deliver the Second Charles W. Kegley, Jr. Annual Lecture, titled “The Ethics of Decision-Making in National Security.

Reflecting on her distinguished career in public service, Director Haines shared her thoughts on current trends and future needs for building strong and vibrant public institutions. Following the lecture, she was joined by Carnegie Council President Joel Rosenthal for a discussion on public service at this vital moment in international affairs.

In addition to her role overseeing all U.S. intelligence agencies, Haines has served as deputy national security advisor and deputy director of the Central Intelligence Agency. In 2025-2026, she is a fellow at All Souls College at the University of Oxford.

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Carnegie Council for Ethics in International Affairs is an independent and nonpartisan nonprofit. The views expressed within this lecture are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the position of Carnegie Council.

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